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janie_tangerine) wrote2012-04-23 01:08 pm
janie_tangerine) wrote2012-04-23 01:08 pm
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game of thrones 2x04, garden of bones
Okay, this review is flooded with book spoilers so I'm going to spoiler-cut them, but still thread carefully.
1. Point the first: the Robb thing is leaving me very, very, very baffled. Or better: Robb isn't leaving me baffled at all, he's being himself. It's what they're doing with Girl Whose Name I Didn't Catch But Should Not Be The One She Gave Him that leaves me perplexed.
Soooo, uh. I hope that this girl is Jeyne and that she's trolling Robb big time while giving in to her nurse instincts and happily amputating feet. I don't really mind that she's a bit more sassy than she was in the books if it's her, but.
She can't be some random girl from VOLANTIS (wtf, why anyone from Volantis would even be in the Westerlands) because otherwise why the fuck should he marry her? Show!Robb is a lot more savvy than his book counterpart, and the book counterpart married Jeyne Westerling and threw away the Frey alliance and proceeded to DOOM HIMSELF because having sex with a lord's daughter when she's a maiden and leaving her behind is ~dishonorable~. The end.and he had sex with her because of Theon's betrayal but LET'S NOT GET INTO THAT The point is that he's his father's son. Now, if this isn't Jeyne but Some Other Girl From Volantis, she's no highborn lady and no one would give a damn about her maidenhead one way or the other. If Robb has grief driven sex with her after Theon betrays him and then marries her, he isn't committing a political suicide because of ~honor~ (which well, hi, suits with the character) but he's committing a political suicide without any darned good reason to. And sorry but while Robb is an honorable idiot, he isn't completely fucking stupid. Especially in the show version where he doesn't have the excuse of being sixteen.
Shortly: if it turns out that it was ~Jeyne~ in disguise and it goes the way it's supposed to then fine, if they're changing that part completely...uuuuuuh. I won't like it.
2. Only other thing that I didn't like: LF telling Cat that she could trade her daughters for Jaime. Who read the book knows what I'm talking about.
3. Wait, also Brienne had no lines. Sigh. More, please.
4. Catelyn is flawless. End of story. Gosh when she saw Ned's bones ;__; Michelle Fairley, how so good? Also I'd have liked if she had put that dagger in LF's throat *cough* but eeeh.
5. Seeing Margaery put down LF was glorious.
6. Cat being like 'if you two were my sons I'd bang your heads together' at Stannis & Renly = YES THANKS. Ffs I get that Stannis isn't the most likable person ever but Renly had the least valid claim of the entire group of self-declared kings and while the show hasn't expanded on the sucky treatment Stannis got from both Robert and Renly previously, if I were him I'd be rightfully pissed.
7. Mel's shadow baby was creepy. Also I need to never see any labor on any show ever again - ugh.
8. DAAAAVOS YOU'RE SO VERY LOYAL TO A FAULT AND YOU LOVE STANNIS SO MUCH LET ME LOVE YOU. ♥
9. Harrnhaal was perfect. ALL OF IT. ALL OF IT. The Brotherhood mentions! The people from the Brave Companions! Arya and her prayer ;___; and Gendryyy and Hot Pie ;___; also, it confirmed me the one reason why I can't really completely hate Tywin: he as a fucking brain and he uses it, differently from his bannermen. Seriously.
10. Tyrion pwning Lancel = yes. YES. Also woah, the guy playing Lancel manages to be prettier than Finn Jones, I keep on thinking that he's a woman whenever I see him for one second.
11. Peter Dinklage, awards.
12. That scene where Joffrey had the KG beat Sansa was - ugh, every bit as painful as I thought it would be. Also UGH SANDOR'S CLOAK ON HER I just - okay. I can't possibly deal with the feelings.
13. Okay so, point made, Joffrey is a pro sadist. And as some people said, is Ros the only whore in KL? *facepalm* the fact that she's so prominent is making me seriously consider a crackpot theory that popped up in my head ages ago while talking to![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
lenina20 I thin, which... well, I sincerely hope that I'm wrong about it because it would be a fuck up of huge size. :///// But it's all book related so I'll shut my mouth.
14. Iain Glen is too hot for the desert, too hot for starving and too hot for anything. And that's sadly all I have to say for now about Dany's storyline.
15. Don't get me wrong, I liked it but in comparison to the flawlessness that was last week's episode this one kind of paled in comparison. Also needed more Brienne.
16. And I had more things to say but class calls. Sigh.
1. Point the first: the Robb thing is leaving me very, very, very baffled. Or better: Robb isn't leaving me baffled at all, he's being himself. It's what they're doing with Girl Whose Name I Didn't Catch But Should Not Be The One She Gave Him that leaves me perplexed.
She can't be some random girl from VOLANTIS (wtf, why anyone from Volantis would even be in the Westerlands) because otherwise why the fuck should he marry her? Show!Robb is a lot more savvy than his book counterpart, and the book counterpart married Jeyne Westerling and threw away the Frey alliance and proceeded to DOOM HIMSELF because having sex with a lord's daughter when she's a maiden and leaving her behind is ~dishonorable~. The end.
Shortly: if it turns out that it was ~Jeyne~ in disguise and it goes the way it's supposed to then fine, if they're changing that part completely...uuuuuuh. I won't like it.
2. Only other thing that I didn't like: LF telling Cat that she could trade her daughters for Jaime. Who read the book knows what I'm talking about.
3. Wait, also Brienne had no lines. Sigh. More, please.
4. Catelyn is flawless. End of story. Gosh when she saw Ned's bones ;__; Michelle Fairley, how so good? Also I'd have liked if she had put that dagger in LF's throat *cough* but eeeh.
5. Seeing Margaery put down LF was glorious.
6. Cat being like 'if you two were my sons I'd bang your heads together' at Stannis & Renly = YES THANKS. Ffs I get that Stannis isn't the most likable person ever but Renly had the least valid claim of the entire group of self-declared kings and while the show hasn't expanded on the sucky treatment Stannis got from both Robert and Renly previously, if I were him I'd be rightfully pissed.
7. Mel's shadow baby was creepy. Also I need to never see any labor on any show ever again - ugh.
8. DAAAAVOS YOU'RE SO VERY LOYAL TO A FAULT AND YOU LOVE STANNIS SO MUCH LET ME LOVE YOU. ♥
9. Harrnhaal was perfect. ALL OF IT. ALL OF IT. The Brotherhood mentions! The people from the Brave Companions! Arya and her prayer ;___; and Gendryyy and Hot Pie ;___; also, it confirmed me the one reason why I can't really completely hate Tywin: he as a fucking brain and he uses it, differently from his bannermen. Seriously.
10. Tyrion pwning Lancel = yes. YES. Also woah, the guy playing Lancel manages to be prettier than Finn Jones, I keep on thinking that he's a woman whenever I see him for one second.
11. Peter Dinklage, awards.
12. That scene where Joffrey had the KG beat Sansa was - ugh, every bit as painful as I thought it would be. Also UGH SANDOR'S CLOAK ON HER I just - okay. I can't possibly deal with the feelings.
13. Okay so, point made, Joffrey is a pro sadist. And as some people said, is Ros the only whore in KL? *facepalm* the fact that she's so prominent is making me seriously consider a crackpot theory that popped up in my head ages ago while talking to
lenina20 I thin, which... well, I sincerely hope that I'm wrong about it because it would be a fuck up of huge size. :///// But it's all book related so I'll shut my mouth.14. Iain Glen is too hot for the desert, too hot for starving and too hot for anything. And that's sadly all I have to say for now about Dany's storyline.
15. Don't get me wrong, I liked it but in comparison to the flawlessness that was last week's episode this one kind of paled in comparison. Also needed more Brienne.
16. And I had more things to say but class calls. Sigh.
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6. LOL. I know, right?
7. My thoughts EXACTLY! From now on, shows are going to lost points for showing childbirth. Of any kind.
13. What? WHAT? TELL MEEEEEEE!!!
14. Dany seems to have dialed back the crazy just a touch this season... I'm sure she'll go nuts soon.
15. Fewer gratuitous whore scenes would be good, HBO, thanks.
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6. Sigh. Cat, you should have done that.
7. THIS THIS THIS. And think that she has to birth another shadow at some point! Siiiighhhh.
13. Okay, so.
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Point is: Jeyne Poole is MIA. Or better: Jeyne Poole is nowhere to be seen. Other point: D&D apparently are head over heels in love with Theon as a character, so there's no way they're going to change the ADWD plotline too much - especially since they have an actor that can pull that off (or well, imo he'd do it, but that said). Now, not going over all the Robb & Theon paralles since both of them end up dealing with women named Jeyne except that for Robb it's DOOM AND GLOOM while Theon gets his sort of redemption moment thanks to it, the point is: it's not like Jeyne Poole has a point outside Theon's story, but she's a funamental part of it - mostly because he saves her risking his life and doing a selfless thing when the emotional connection he had with her prior to the whole Ramsay thing wasn't that much, but they still did know each other. (Meaning: he didn't save a complete stranger.) Now: what was Jeyne Poole doing throughout ACOK and ASOS? She was in one of LF's brothels with LF 'training' her. And she wasn't having the time of her life in KL after leaving North. But there's no freaking Jeyne Poole anywhere.
Crackpot theory: they're giving her story to Ros. I mean, she did have a sort of connection with Theon even if it was just sex - though considering that he was pretty pissed when she left for KL I guess that at least she was his favorite. She's Northern. She's being shown in a brothel all the time (well, obviously since she's a prostitute, but), that belongs to LF, and she's been thoroughly humiliated by the latter in what, episode two, and now apparently she's being sent to all the worst clients they can find for her (Joffrey). The Grand Canyon sized hole in this is that if they had shipped Jeyne up North so that she could pose as Arya, Ros couldn't pass off for Arya in a million years - and not even for Sansa for that matter, but they could drop her plotline and maybe Tywin or whoever decides to send Ramsay some whore in thanks for the help and they send her skipping on the entire wedding business. That said this is seriously crackpot and I don't want it to happen, not even paid, because if it becomes Theon & Ros instead of Theon & Jeyne Poole it loses half of the poignant, not to mention that giving Jeyne's part to Ros would be a total suicide imo. But if Ros had no fucking point whatsever other than having sex with everyone and their siblings, then why would they be showing her every ten seconds? She's been getting too much screen time for her to be there only for sexposition. Another friend of mine says she might get Alalaya's part (or how the hell was her name spelled), which is another good point, but if she is then what they do with Theon in season five or whenever they're doing it, he saves Mance heroically while Mance sings him a song in thanks as they fall down? XD
15. Or at least have them with Alfie Allen getting naked. *cough*
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7. Hopefully they won't have to show it again b/c hey we already know what that is now!
13. Oooooh, I see where you're going with this. I don't recall if they mentioned Jeyne Poole much last season either... but I think your theory is actually very sound and highly likely. Crap. Though I feel sort of bad saying that all the whores look pretty much the same to me, so I hadn't actually noticed it was Ros in all those scenes! But she's WAY too old to pose as Arya. I mean Jeyne was only just Sansa's age, so that's at least plausible... I don't like that either, if that's where they're going with this :(
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In last season Jeyne Poole wasn't there at all :((( I'm not really sure that I want that either, mostly because... well, the entire point of Theon's selfless act in ADWD is that he knew Jeyne but never really cared about her either way and he certainly didn't have a history with her, so he wasn't saving his old flame or his old love or even his old favorite prostitute. :| Seriously, I don't go anywhere near shipping Theon/Jeyne P. as a romantic thing because THE BAGGAGE, but as a platonic thing is kind of really lovely and if Jeyne becomes Ros then it gets all cheapened since if anything they had been having sex and a whole lot of it. Meh, it's that Theon's part in ADWD is kind of my favorite thing about the entire series except for the Jaime & Brienne stuff (single & solo) and I might go ballistic if they do it wrong. ;)
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