And it's good to have sympathetic Theon people to talk to ;) really, after I read the Hitler thing I kind of really flipped. At this point I'd probably be defending him even if I didn't like him just on fucking principle because seriously, he's a fucked up kid, not a genocide mastermind. *facepalm* I figured I could take it - I mean jfc other than Davos and Robb, my other favorite male character is Jaime who is usually widely disliked until a certain point in the story while I liked him from the beginning, but ugh. I obviously can't take Theon hate as much as I thought I could. ;)
(LENINA, BY THE WAY, WHERE ARE YOU WE NEED TO TALK TO YOU ;) ) You totally have a point about Theon and Sansa having parallel stories or at least alot of points in common, though Sansa hasn't spent more than half of her life captive, which is imo is the root of everything that's wrong with Theon - jfc the guy's been having identity issues since he was fucking nine, of course he'd just snap when he was put into a situation where he had to choose which side to take (which is why he went back home THINKING HE WOULDN'T HAVE TO - which everyone conveniently forgets). And yeah those S1 scenes totally hit the nail about his status - mostly because whenever he called himself a ward or put himself in a situation of power someone arrived to remind him that it wasn't his place. And I kind of find it ludicrous when people are like 'BUT THE STARKS LOVED YOU' - there's some place in the book where he clearly states that he only was friends with Robb and that Ned never was close to him because he knew that he' might have to kill him should his father get out of line. (Which is the worst thing about it actually - I mean, it's obvious that Balon was planning on going to war anyway regardless of Theon's situation.) And the reason I want to strangle his father is that he just goes and blames *Theon* for being less than he should or whatever when *he* was the reason the kid got taken as a hostage in the first place. Bleargh. And YES about him being scorned by both sides. Like, come on! YOU GET ISSUES! Real issues!
Theon had imagined he could be a kind merciful captor in Winterfell as much as Ned Stark was a kind merciful captor to him.
THIS. Except that (have some more Sansa parallels!) he's pretty much living in a fantasy - he's bad at it because no one trusts him, not even his men, and it was obvious that he hadn't expected to have to kill poor Rodrik. Or to have to prove himself that way. He's getting everything wrong, but the tragic is that he gets everything wrong because no one ever put him in a position to get it right and the one time someone gave him credit (Robb) he had to throw that out of the window. THIS ENTIRE THING MAKES ME CRY, surely it doesn't make me want to kill him. Also yes yes YES about Alfie Allen. He's so good, I can't even. I had understood last season that they picked the right guy but he's blowing it out of the park this round. Awards, they're needed.
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Date: 2012-05-07 10:45 pm (UTC)(LENINA, BY THE WAY, WHERE ARE YOU WE NEED TO TALK TO YOU ;) ) You totally have a point about Theon and Sansa having parallel stories or at least alot of points in common, though Sansa hasn't spent more than half of her life captive, which is imo is the root of everything that's wrong with Theon - jfc the guy's been having identity issues since he was fucking nine, of course he'd just snap when he was put into a situation where he had to choose which side to take (which is why he went back home THINKING HE WOULDN'T HAVE TO - which everyone conveniently forgets). And yeah those S1 scenes totally hit the nail about his status - mostly because whenever he called himself a ward or put himself in a situation of power someone arrived to remind him that it wasn't his place. And I kind of find it ludicrous when people are like 'BUT THE STARKS LOVED YOU' - there's some place in the book where he clearly states that he only was friends with Robb and that Ned never was close to him because he knew that he' might have to kill him should his father get out of line. (Which is the worst thing about it actually - I mean, it's obvious that Balon was planning on going to war anyway regardless of Theon's situation.) And the reason I want to strangle his father is that he just goes and blames *Theon* for being less than he should or whatever when *he* was the reason the kid got taken as a hostage in the first place. Bleargh. And YES about him being scorned by both sides. Like, come on! YOU GET ISSUES! Real issues!
Theon had imagined he could be a kind merciful captor in Winterfell as much as Ned Stark was a kind merciful captor to him.
THIS. Except that (have some more Sansa parallels!) he's pretty much living in a fantasy - he's bad at it because no one trusts him, not even his men, and it was obvious that he hadn't expected to have to kill poor Rodrik. Or to have to prove himself that way. He's getting everything wrong, but the tragic is that he gets everything wrong because no one ever put him in a position to get it right and the one time someone gave him credit (Robb) he had to throw that out of the window. THIS ENTIRE THING MAKES ME CRY, surely it doesn't make me want to kill him. Also yes yes YES about Alfie Allen. He's so good, I can't even. I had understood last season that they picked the right guy but he's blowing it out of the park this round. Awards, they're needed.