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janie_tangerine1 . Happy Easter everyone! :D I hope you’re all hoarding the chocolate I’m not ;) aaand happy GOT day to everyone who actually watches it today – may you all survive it.
2. So, since (as usual) I haven’t updated as much as I thought I would, run-down of what’s been happening here: I solved one problem I was having for the last final I was supposed to have, so it’s three left now and then it’s just the thesis (which hopefully will make me enthusiastic again about this whole school deal because right now I’m just burned out) \o/ also, I thought the elections mess couldn’t get any worse, but apparently it is! And we might vote again this year! And I can bet you money I won’t like the result, since my last illusions that people vote with their heads in this country has been totally shattered. Anyway, welcome to the only country in the world where you stay in charge even if you lose the elections and when I can’t even be pissed about it because the alternatives are all worse. Oh, and B. wants to be President of the Republic. If you’re laughing at that, it’s exactly what you should do.
Also, Mumford and Sons were glorious :DDD which is pretty much the best thing that happened in the last month.
Meanwhile, I’m currently at my grandparents’ for the holidays, using the internet stealthily and wondering if my grandmother will ever understand that no one ever said that it’s your duty to make your own life miserable.
3. Also, since I’m set on getting back on track and starting doing episode reviews again from next week (at least for GOT and SPN, since I’m not sure I have enough shit to say about the vampire porn to do an entire post each episode) I’m catching up with some quick reactions to the last stuff here, so next week I can start anew. ;)
So, vampire porn: so, uuuuhm, the thing is, I have no fucking clue what they’re trying to accomplish this season but there are some things I know for sure:
a) soulless!Elena has to go now. I could stand Sam being soulless for three episodes on SPN before wanting to strangle him, but she hasn’t lasted even that long. Just. NO. Nina is awesome at it but no. I can’t do it. I actually love Elena but like this I just want to slap her in the face forever.
b) no one in this show deserves current!Damon except maybe his brother, and when I start considering shipping Damon/Stefan… well, no, there’s like one time each year when it happens, but still.
c) other than Damon, the best thing right now is Matt who clearly has been MIA since Jeremy died – which I still don’t get if I like it or not.
d) but I know that Shane made me miss Alaric every-fucking-second.
e) Alaric’s ghost is there stalking Damon and wishing he could get drunk even if he’s dead because you can count on the fingers of one hand the number of people who are behaving with some sense (SERIOUSLY BONNIE WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN DOING).
f) Someone please just let poor Rebekah be human. Also since when Katherine is mad in love with Elijah? Wasn’t she in love with Stefan? Anyway, Elijah is still my favorite thing about the originals. Also I wish I was more invested so I could actually have opinions about Klaus and Caroline but the only opinion I have is that obviously Jeremy Carver and Julie Plec brainstormed seasons together because the last episode the Klaus/Caroline thing had too much in common with Dean and Cas in 8x17 xDD
g) However, my favorite episode this season after the second is without doubt the one where Damon and Lexi hooked up in the seventies and there were Patti Smith cover bands. The end. Show, please, I never asked plot from you, but ffs please Elena turn that switch back on.
SPN: did I say last time that this show hasn’t been this consistently good since S5? Because it totally hasn’t. Carver please love me. Sadly I missed discussing shit for like months, but anyway: I love the men of letters thing (and OHMYGOD HENRY WINCHESTER <33), I like that they finally have a home base – btw, I cried at the episode where Dean got his own room, call me a sap. I also like that this is the first year since S5 where filler episodes don’t make me want to fall asleep on my own keyboard – even if they’re filler, they’re surprisingly good. And it’s obvious that someone is at least trying to work with some continuity here, trying being the key word, but since I had the distinct impression that 50% of S6/7 was planned at completely fucking random this is already good enough for me. I also have the distinct impression that Carver is trying to straighten kinks out from the previous run – starting from Castiel – , but this’d imply discussing spoilers for the next episode so I’m gonna shut up until next week. Anyway, stuff that I’d like to put my two cents on just so that I have them somewhere:
a) there’s nothing not flawless about Dean’s characterization this year. I haven’t been so madly in love with Dean Winchester since ages. I lovelovelove that after he got out of Purgatory he actually… I don’t want to say grew up, but he’s really coming into himself and he’s miles ahead from S6/7 in terms of character development so can I just draw hearts everywhere? I love that he actually asks Cas to talk about his feelings, that he’s getting his own space, that he actually understood that you don’t always have to kill monsters and that he’s letting himself be a total geek and EVERYTHING, all right. I also like his vampire bff and I really hope that they a) reconnect, b) that it doesn’t end badly. Not that I’m crazy about Benny the way I was about poor dear Balthazar, but these people need friends, all right?
b) same about Sam – he’s not coming into himself because he never was as emotionally stunted as his brother but I like that he knows what he wants and that he has plans for the light at the end of the tunnel and that he might start the men of letters thing again because that’s just so perfect for him ;_;
c) I thought I hated Zachariah when he was around. I can safely say that I detest Naomi a lot more xDDD interesting character, nothing to say, but at the opening of 8x17 I think I might have thrown up in my mouth and – I can’t, okay. Nope. Is it possible that when you think that nothing can get worse with angels then IT GETS WORSE? Like, you thought Zachariah was bad but Michael was worse, but then Raphael was worse than Michael and NOW NAOMI JUST – can’t.
d) Before going all capslock about what everyone suspects, two words about the Meg and Cas thing in 8x17, since I’ve spent the last two weeks trying to avoid wank on tumblr and wondering how the heck people think that since it was made *canon* then Dean/Cas is a sank ship (seriously). First: I always thought that this Meg-and-Cas-hook-up thing was OOC from the first moment it happened in 6x10, and I suspect that it happened just because Sera Gamble thought that the demon/angel thing was a good idea, but it made no fucking sense then and it makes no sense now (and same re S7, but I actually could get behind it better in S7 – anyway, not the point). That said, it happened and they actually made out, so I don’t get why people complain that they’re canon *now* - they’ve been canon since then if we stick to saying that if you make out on screen with someone you’re somewhat canon. So: they decided to kill Meg off and Cas was in the episode – they had to address it or it’d have been a glaring continuity error. I’m not entirely sure I get the reasoning behind Meg dying that way or the whole Cas is her unicorn thing (srsly?) – like, with enough meta explaining it to me I suppose I can see it, but I shouldn’t need meta to see it, but as stated I thought the entire thing was OOC from the beginning so if it ends OOC then who even cares. Also: it took Cas a while to get that Meg wanted to do the deed with him and he didn’t even accept – and tbh if they want to state that he can/could/would want to have sex with someone and that he thinks that making out with her was a nice thing but it’s done with now, then fine, okay, I can roll with it. Considering what happened ten minutes later I really, really do not get how it sinks the D/C ships – like, sorry, Dean can have female love interests but be into Cas no problem but Cas can’t be attracted to other women while being into Dean more than he’s into anything else? Come on.
e) Now that we got here: crypt scene. Seriously. Like. Uhm. So. Cas spent who knows how much time killing Dean enough times to fill an entire warehouse until he looked like some kind of robot while doing it and HE STILL COULDN’T DO IT. ACTUALLY HE OPPOSED IT THAT MUCH THAT NAOMI ENDED UP GIVING HIM THE CHOICE TO DO IT AND HE STILL COULD-NOT-DO-IT. How is this ship sinking? No, seriously. Also: I NEED YOU? Like, okay, sure, totally not begging for my life, just saying that? And we want to talk about Dean clutching to Cas’s coat/wrist even when he thought Cas was going to kill him? (Let’s not get into how Cas touched Dean at the end… haha. Yeah. Sure. How does anyone not think that Dean isn’t the most important thing for Cas ever is past me.) And Cas’s face at the end? I just – those two. SERIOUSLY. Though Cas being like ‘I don’t know what broke the connection’… yeah, sure, I’m pretty positive that everyone in front of the tv was shouting ‘*DEAN*, YOU IDIOT’, which – seriously. I don’t want to get into the-power-of-love meta territory because this is getting cheesy enough, but I can’t even with my feelings. Also, if Cas has to protect the darned tablet from Dean it means that if Sam can close Hell’s gates then Dean can close Heaven’s and that’s actually half the reason Naomi wants him dead? I mean, I’m pretty sure that she had Cas practicing killing Dean because it was what would destroy him most on every level, but she probably also needs *Dean* dead, so she was killing two birds with one stone? Damn, I want to cry just thinking about it, sigh.
Also, the exclusively shipper angle: okay, so. I don’t usually ever put any cents into anything I ship becoming canon unless it’s HBO because the (slash) stuff I ship is never possible-canon material. Except that the last time I got the vibes I’m getting from Dean/Cas right now… it was Jane and Joanie in Deadwood, and everyone who saw it knows how it ended. Okay, no, I had it from Jimmy and Richard in Boardwalk Empire too but ER YOU KNOW WHAT if you’ve seen it, but I still think that if they hadn’t done that thing it might have happened, but whatever. Point is, first we get that Purgatory scene which – uhm, yeah, I showed it to a friend who quit the show in S7 and she was like ‘jesus are they hooking up or what’ –, then Dean actually wants to talk about his feelings and shit and he actually treats Cas the way he probably regrets he hadn’t during S6, THEN Cas gets tortured/brainwashed with killing Dean a thousand times over and then he still doesn’t do it when Dean is like clutching at his hands while saying that he needs him? And other than that, most filler episodes in this season featured a human/supernatural romance (or supernatural/supernatural, but anyway not a human/human one) where the supernatural part is under someone’s control and does bad things against their will? Oh, and Misha is a regular next season? I mean, I don’t want to say it’s a sure thing and this might all be looking too much into it, but that writing is so blatant that I can’t help thinking that they’re at least considering it and making sure they can go there if they want to. (Not to mention that apparently in 8x17 it was supposed to be I love you, but I think that the need you was best in those circumstances, so. Still.) Not to mention that the showrunner is the person who wrote a) Free to be You and Me and b) Point of No Return, which was the feast of Dean/Cas innuendo, so… I mean, if it still had been Sera I’d have never even considered it, but right now I might be? Just, I don’t want to look like a deluded shipper and I won’t feel betrayed if it doesn’t happen – I never shipped D/C because I thought it’d be canon one day – but I’m really starting to suspect it could happen. And that said, I really want to see what happens if/when Dean meets Naomi. I don’t see it going down well.
This is probably not even half of what I’d have discussed if I had had fucking time in the last four months or so, but everything else that comes to mind right now isn’t important enough or has been discussed to death, so I’ll just leave here the above (which are the things I want written down anyway). Did I say I’m loving this season? Because I am. <3 ah, no wait, actually: please let me have Crowley forever. The end.
4. Since we were discussing tv: I’m going to (try to) do GOT recap posts this year DECENTLY, also because I promised![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
lenina20 that I would warn her beforehand (<3). I’m not sure of when I’ll manage to watch the premiere because here the internet is random and I can’t be on it if anyone calls on the phone, which means that it’s gonna take me ages to download it, but at worst it should be tomorrow evening, so the review will happen either late tomorrow or early on the 2nd, unless I manage to watch it in the morning for some kind of miracle. That said: I’m pretty sure that everyone around here knows the deal, but since I spent the last month blocking idiots on tumblr arguing that Theon deserves horrible things, I’ll just state again that Theon bashing is nowhere near okay around these parts. Also, I’ll probably endlessly complain about Robb’s storyline this year because the few things I know aren’t making me happy, so uhm, just thread carefully because I’ll probably go heavy on that. xD
5. Also: anyone has switched to the new friends page? Is it as horrible as it seems from the description? Because I already miss the old update page, and since it hasn’t forces me to switch to the new friends page yet I’m delaying, but I’d like to hear some opinions before considering it. Not sure I’ll do it until they force me though.
6. And after this Easter novel, I should probably go get ready for lunch (and after that hopefully I’ll finish an 8x17 coda which has been nagging at me since I watched the damn thing but that I couldn’t start until yesterday…) Again, I hope you’re all drowning in chocolate :D (and expect some late comments because as stated since anytime someone calls on the landline I have to disconnect the internet I gave up on checking the friends page, but tomorrow I shall catch up. :D)
2. So, since (as usual) I haven’t updated as much as I thought I would, run-down of what’s been happening here: I solved one problem I was having for the last final I was supposed to have, so it’s three left now and then it’s just the thesis (which hopefully will make me enthusiastic again about this whole school deal because right now I’m just burned out) \o/ also, I thought the elections mess couldn’t get any worse, but apparently it is! And we might vote again this year! And I can bet you money I won’t like the result, since my last illusions that people vote with their heads in this country has been totally shattered. Anyway, welcome to the only country in the world where you stay in charge even if you lose the elections and when I can’t even be pissed about it because the alternatives are all worse. Oh, and B. wants to be President of the Republic. If you’re laughing at that, it’s exactly what you should do.
Also, Mumford and Sons were glorious :DDD which is pretty much the best thing that happened in the last month.
Meanwhile, I’m currently at my grandparents’ for the holidays, using the internet stealthily and wondering if my grandmother will ever understand that no one ever said that it’s your duty to make your own life miserable.
3. Also, since I’m set on getting back on track and starting doing episode reviews again from next week (at least for GOT and SPN, since I’m not sure I have enough shit to say about the vampire porn to do an entire post each episode) I’m catching up with some quick reactions to the last stuff here, so next week I can start anew. ;)
So, vampire porn: so, uuuuhm, the thing is, I have no fucking clue what they’re trying to accomplish this season but there are some things I know for sure:
a) soulless!Elena has to go now. I could stand Sam being soulless for three episodes on SPN before wanting to strangle him, but she hasn’t lasted even that long. Just. NO. Nina is awesome at it but no. I can’t do it. I actually love Elena but like this I just want to slap her in the face forever.
b) no one in this show deserves current!Damon except maybe his brother, and when I start considering shipping Damon/Stefan… well, no, there’s like one time each year when it happens, but still.
c) other than Damon, the best thing right now is Matt who clearly has been MIA since Jeremy died – which I still don’t get if I like it or not.
d) but I know that Shane made me miss Alaric every-fucking-second.
e) Alaric’s ghost is there stalking Damon and wishing he could get drunk even if he’s dead because you can count on the fingers of one hand the number of people who are behaving with some sense (SERIOUSLY BONNIE WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN DOING).
f) Someone please just let poor Rebekah be human. Also since when Katherine is mad in love with Elijah? Wasn’t she in love with Stefan? Anyway, Elijah is still my favorite thing about the originals. Also I wish I was more invested so I could actually have opinions about Klaus and Caroline but the only opinion I have is that obviously Jeremy Carver and Julie Plec brainstormed seasons together because the last episode the Klaus/Caroline thing had too much in common with Dean and Cas in 8x17 xDD
g) However, my favorite episode this season after the second is without doubt the one where Damon and Lexi hooked up in the seventies and there were Patti Smith cover bands. The end. Show, please, I never asked plot from you, but ffs please Elena turn that switch back on.
SPN: did I say last time that this show hasn’t been this consistently good since S5? Because it totally hasn’t. Carver please love me. Sadly I missed discussing shit for like months, but anyway: I love the men of letters thing (and OHMYGOD HENRY WINCHESTER <33), I like that they finally have a home base – btw, I cried at the episode where Dean got his own room, call me a sap. I also like that this is the first year since S5 where filler episodes don’t make me want to fall asleep on my own keyboard – even if they’re filler, they’re surprisingly good. And it’s obvious that someone is at least trying to work with some continuity here, trying being the key word, but since I had the distinct impression that 50% of S6/7 was planned at completely fucking random this is already good enough for me. I also have the distinct impression that Carver is trying to straighten kinks out from the previous run – starting from Castiel – , but this’d imply discussing spoilers for the next episode so I’m gonna shut up until next week. Anyway, stuff that I’d like to put my two cents on just so that I have them somewhere:
a) there’s nothing not flawless about Dean’s characterization this year. I haven’t been so madly in love with Dean Winchester since ages. I lovelovelove that after he got out of Purgatory he actually… I don’t want to say grew up, but he’s really coming into himself and he’s miles ahead from S6/7 in terms of character development so can I just draw hearts everywhere? I love that he actually asks Cas to talk about his feelings, that he’s getting his own space, that he actually understood that you don’t always have to kill monsters and that he’s letting himself be a total geek and EVERYTHING, all right. I also like his vampire bff and I really hope that they a) reconnect, b) that it doesn’t end badly. Not that I’m crazy about Benny the way I was about poor dear Balthazar, but these people need friends, all right?
b) same about Sam – he’s not coming into himself because he never was as emotionally stunted as his brother but I like that he knows what he wants and that he has plans for the light at the end of the tunnel and that he might start the men of letters thing again because that’s just so perfect for him ;_;
c) I thought I hated Zachariah when he was around. I can safely say that I detest Naomi a lot more xDDD interesting character, nothing to say, but at the opening of 8x17 I think I might have thrown up in my mouth and – I can’t, okay. Nope. Is it possible that when you think that nothing can get worse with angels then IT GETS WORSE? Like, you thought Zachariah was bad but Michael was worse, but then Raphael was worse than Michael and NOW NAOMI JUST – can’t.
d) Before going all capslock about what everyone suspects, two words about the Meg and Cas thing in 8x17, since I’ve spent the last two weeks trying to avoid wank on tumblr and wondering how the heck people think that since it was made *canon* then Dean/Cas is a sank ship (seriously). First: I always thought that this Meg-and-Cas-hook-up thing was OOC from the first moment it happened in 6x10, and I suspect that it happened just because Sera Gamble thought that the demon/angel thing was a good idea, but it made no fucking sense then and it makes no sense now (and same re S7, but I actually could get behind it better in S7 – anyway, not the point). That said, it happened and they actually made out, so I don’t get why people complain that they’re canon *now* - they’ve been canon since then if we stick to saying that if you make out on screen with someone you’re somewhat canon. So: they decided to kill Meg off and Cas was in the episode – they had to address it or it’d have been a glaring continuity error. I’m not entirely sure I get the reasoning behind Meg dying that way or the whole Cas is her unicorn thing (srsly?) – like, with enough meta explaining it to me I suppose I can see it, but I shouldn’t need meta to see it, but as stated I thought the entire thing was OOC from the beginning so if it ends OOC then who even cares. Also: it took Cas a while to get that Meg wanted to do the deed with him and he didn’t even accept – and tbh if they want to state that he can/could/would want to have sex with someone and that he thinks that making out with her was a nice thing but it’s done with now, then fine, okay, I can roll with it. Considering what happened ten minutes later I really, really do not get how it sinks the D/C ships – like, sorry, Dean can have female love interests but be into Cas no problem but Cas can’t be attracted to other women while being into Dean more than he’s into anything else? Come on.
e) Now that we got here: crypt scene. Seriously. Like. Uhm. So. Cas spent who knows how much time killing Dean enough times to fill an entire warehouse until he looked like some kind of robot while doing it and HE STILL COULDN’T DO IT. ACTUALLY HE OPPOSED IT THAT MUCH THAT NAOMI ENDED UP GIVING HIM THE CHOICE TO DO IT AND HE STILL COULD-NOT-DO-IT. How is this ship sinking? No, seriously. Also: I NEED YOU? Like, okay, sure, totally not begging for my life, just saying that? And we want to talk about Dean clutching to Cas’s coat/wrist even when he thought Cas was going to kill him? (Let’s not get into how Cas touched Dean at the end… haha. Yeah. Sure. How does anyone not think that Dean isn’t the most important thing for Cas ever is past me.) And Cas’s face at the end? I just – those two. SERIOUSLY. Though Cas being like ‘I don’t know what broke the connection’… yeah, sure, I’m pretty positive that everyone in front of the tv was shouting ‘*DEAN*, YOU IDIOT’, which – seriously. I don’t want to get into the-power-of-love meta territory because this is getting cheesy enough, but I can’t even with my feelings. Also, if Cas has to protect the darned tablet from Dean it means that if Sam can close Hell’s gates then Dean can close Heaven’s and that’s actually half the reason Naomi wants him dead? I mean, I’m pretty sure that she had Cas practicing killing Dean because it was what would destroy him most on every level, but she probably also needs *Dean* dead, so she was killing two birds with one stone? Damn, I want to cry just thinking about it, sigh.
Also, the exclusively shipper angle: okay, so. I don’t usually ever put any cents into anything I ship becoming canon unless it’s HBO because the (slash) stuff I ship is never possible-canon material. Except that the last time I got the vibes I’m getting from Dean/Cas right now… it was Jane and Joanie in Deadwood, and everyone who saw it knows how it ended. Okay, no, I had it from Jimmy and Richard in Boardwalk Empire too but ER YOU KNOW WHAT if you’ve seen it, but I still think that if they hadn’t done that thing it might have happened, but whatever. Point is, first we get that Purgatory scene which – uhm, yeah, I showed it to a friend who quit the show in S7 and she was like ‘jesus are they hooking up or what’ –, then Dean actually wants to talk about his feelings and shit and he actually treats Cas the way he probably regrets he hadn’t during S6, THEN Cas gets tortured/brainwashed with killing Dean a thousand times over and then he still doesn’t do it when Dean is like clutching at his hands while saying that he needs him? And other than that, most filler episodes in this season featured a human/supernatural romance (or supernatural/supernatural, but anyway not a human/human one) where the supernatural part is under someone’s control and does bad things against their will? Oh, and Misha is a regular next season? I mean, I don’t want to say it’s a sure thing and this might all be looking too much into it, but that writing is so blatant that I can’t help thinking that they’re at least considering it and making sure they can go there if they want to. (Not to mention that apparently in 8x17 it was supposed to be I love you, but I think that the need you was best in those circumstances, so. Still.) Not to mention that the showrunner is the person who wrote a) Free to be You and Me and b) Point of No Return, which was the feast of Dean/Cas innuendo, so… I mean, if it still had been Sera I’d have never even considered it, but right now I might be? Just, I don’t want to look like a deluded shipper and I won’t feel betrayed if it doesn’t happen – I never shipped D/C because I thought it’d be canon one day – but I’m really starting to suspect it could happen. And that said, I really want to see what happens if/when Dean meets Naomi. I don’t see it going down well.
This is probably not even half of what I’d have discussed if I had had fucking time in the last four months or so, but everything else that comes to mind right now isn’t important enough or has been discussed to death, so I’ll just leave here the above (which are the things I want written down anyway). Did I say I’m loving this season? Because I am. <3 ah, no wait, actually: please let me have Crowley forever. The end.
4. Since we were discussing tv: I’m going to (try to) do GOT recap posts this year DECENTLY, also because I promised
lenina20 that I would warn her beforehand (<3). I’m not sure of when I’ll manage to watch the premiere because here the internet is random and I can’t be on it if anyone calls on the phone, which means that it’s gonna take me ages to download it, but at worst it should be tomorrow evening, so the review will happen either late tomorrow or early on the 2nd, unless I manage to watch it in the morning for some kind of miracle. That said: I’m pretty sure that everyone around here knows the deal, but since I spent the last month blocking idiots on tumblr arguing that Theon deserves horrible things, I’ll just state again that Theon bashing is nowhere near okay around these parts. Also, I’ll probably endlessly complain about Robb’s storyline this year because the few things I know aren’t making me happy, so uhm, just thread carefully because I’ll probably go heavy on that. xD5. Also: anyone has switched to the new friends page? Is it as horrible as it seems from the description? Because I already miss the old update page, and since it hasn’t forces me to switch to the new friends page yet I’m delaying, but I’d like to hear some opinions before considering it. Not sure I’ll do it until they force me though.
6. And after this Easter novel, I should probably go get ready for lunch (and after that hopefully I’ll finish an 8x17 coda which has been nagging at me since I watched the damn thing but that I couldn’t start until yesterday…) Again, I hope you’re all drowning in chocolate :D (and expect some late comments because as stated since anytime someone calls on the landline I have to disconnect the internet I gave up on checking the friends page, but tomorrow I shall catch up. :D)
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Date: 2013-03-31 09:25 pm (UTC)Dean is definately getting to the right place for it. Cas is on the right track there, so I kind of home the Season Finale will give us some indication about it either way.
::JOINS IN SQUEE::
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Date: 2013-03-31 09:40 pm (UTC)Yeah that. Cas needs to get over feeling like he deserved to rot forever in Purgatory (which I don't think is happening rn) and the whole shebang that went down in 8x17 is going to need further resolving so I highly doubt that it's happening this year, but I think mid/late S9 could be done. But even if they go for it in S10 I'm totally good with it - as long as they keep on giving us THIS and keeping up the good writing, I'm pretty cool with waiting as much as they think is necessary ;) *SQUEE GROUP FTW*
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Date: 2013-03-31 09:50 pm (UTC)And it was the characterization that totally got me too, though I've got to say that, while I can understand Dean's defense of John, John is 75% not deserving of it. Yes, he did the best he could, but sometimes that's not good enough. I loved the premise, though, and I think another writer could have done an excellent job with it. It's the only episode this season I've had real issue with.
Though, to be fair, Cas hasn't had TIME to come to terms with Purgatory and his actions that led him there. The moment he got out, he was under Naomi's thumb. But give him a good half-season of screen time and some time around the Winchesters, who are of decidedly the opposite opinion, and he'll come round.
And, hopefully, they'll both be in the right place for a relationship before too much longer and our squee will be realized at last. And it will be an epic squee, which will be written in the annals of history as without peer.
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Date: 2013-03-31 10:03 pm (UTC)I think Dean came off as too defensive and like he didn't even bother to see Henry's point, and I don't like that, but the thing is.. okay, I'll try not to write a novel ;) I think that John was a bad father and that he did the best he could which was definitely good enough and he caused a lot of damage, but I don't think he did that with the intent of being a bad father or that he didn't love Sam or Dean, which... well, the way the show had been discussing John in the last three seasons it seemed to me like they were implying that he was a bad parent *and* that he never gave a shit about either, which in light of the fact that John gave up his precious revenge (which a lot of people seem to think that he always put first) to save Dean's life is.. at least objectionable to me, not to mention a lot of other things but as stated I'd like to stay into the character limits. XD And 8x12 was like the first episode in three seasons where SOMEONE pointed out that John wasn't being a bad parent because he was a bad person, if it makes sense? I also thought that Dean at least seemed to have gone from S1 aka 'DAD CAN'T DO NO WRONG' to 'Dad did wrong/fucked us up but he didn't do that because he genuinely didn't give a shit'. On retrospective it could have done a lot better and Dean's characterization still had issues, but let's say I appreciated the effort. xD ;)
Nah I don't think he's had the necessary time either, which is 90% of the reason why I think it's too soon for any kind of romance - first he gets out of Purgatory in that mindset after that crazy stunt, then Naomi and then YAY ROMANCE? I think he needs some time with the Winchesters and some time on his own to actually come around before going into romantic relationships. (or better, if I were writing fic I wouldn't really have a problem with it, but let's be realistic XD) ;)
I LIKE THAT LAST SENTENCE. Exactly. I'm trusting them to lead us to the place of squee so that when it happens it's going to be truly epic and lasting and we're going to treasure it forever and ever <3 (and when Dean FINALLY says I love you, it's going to be a lot better than it'd have been if he said it last week - in retrospective I can see why they cut it, if he had to say it later it wouldn't have had the same impact ;) ;) )
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Date: 2013-03-31 10:09 pm (UTC)Exactly. There's a quote about Richard I of England that basically says, "He was a bad son, a bad husband, and a bad king, but a gallant and splended solider," that could very much be cut and pasted onto John Winchester. More or less. He was a good man, but a CARELESS father. That's probably the best word for it. He loved his sons, but he loved his wife so much that, when she died, something in him broke and he was never able to love - or show his love - in quite the same way ever again. The fear of losing his sons prevented him from showing them how much he loved them. And his desire for revenge... Well, you know.
But the episode had it's issues. That wasn't one of them though.
I'd prefer a strong and lasting relationship too rather than simple fanservice. Which is why I'm willing to wait. Cas needs to heal (and appear in like most of S9/the rest of S8) before it can really happen, but we're on the right road. Hopefully.
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Date: 2013-03-31 10:36 pm (UTC)Oooh that quote fits to a T! And yeah careless is the word for it - also I think you're totally spot-on in that analysis - he was too worried about losing them to show them how much he actually cared D: but I also think that it makes him a lot more complicated than a lot of people make him out to be and idk I'm probably sure that seeing a canonically FAIR portrait of the guy when it had been years since I remembered it happening probably made me a lot more forgiving towards the actual wrong in that episode ;) then again when it came out a lot of people were all being like 'the John related part was OOC re both Dean and what we know od John' and I was like 'uhm actually NO re-watch late S1 please' xD .... Sorry, I totally went on a tangent here /o\
THAT. If they did fanservice they'd hook up next time they see each other but realistically Cas isn't there and... Like, the one serious relationship Dean had until now was with Lisa and I'm pretty sure that given the circumstances of how he started it in S6 at that point HE was the one who wasn't entirely ready for it, so seriously, if I can have them both being into it at the right time then I'm not in a hurry. I've read fic since S4, I can use that for shipping-related satisfaction for another year xDDD ;)
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Date: 2013-03-31 10:40 pm (UTC)Yay! My meta abilities are back (I've been AFK - and internet - for almost two months, so I was worried I'd lost them). But thanks. John is complicated. A retired Marine, but also "emotional" enough to be utterly broken when his wife dies. A loving father, but unable to show his love. Like Castiel, he had too much heart, nearly all of which was broken by the time we see him in S1.
And you know what they say: girls tend to chose husbands like their fathers.
EXACTLY. Fanfiction will get me by until it happens.